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	<title>Comments on: Abstinence. Sex. Education. Life. Choice. Sarah.</title>
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		<title>By: Enough About Politics &#171; thilly thenny</title>
		<link>http://janyxu.com/2008/09/05/abstinence-sex-education-life-choice-sarah/#comment-1009</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Enough About Politics &#171; thilly thenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] written over the past few weeks, posts on some of the issues where McCain and Obama take diverging stances (to put it lightly).  This is what I&#8217;ve [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jany</title>
		<link>http://janyxu.com/2008/09/05/abstinence-sex-education-life-choice-sarah/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jany]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the case where a potential mother has to decide whether or not she even wants to have a child in the first place, it really becomes impossible to &#039;ask the child&#039; what he/she wants.  According to Becky, the mother would have to wait until he/she is at least 3, at which point, under any law, would be considered murder.

Regarding the heartbeat factor of what &quot;a&quot; mentioned, I&#039;d have to question memory.  From my understanding, abortions are legal in the first trimester.  However, similar to the proverbial tree in forest, what&#039;s wrong with hurting/murdering a living thing, if it has no memory of it?  Does the action itself warrant punishment/disapproval, or does it matter more the pain experienced by the victim?  What if the victim has no memory?  Can we prove fetuses and babies have memories?  I mean beyond Freud&#039;s theories of childhood scars and latency?

I&#039;m not particularly for abortions, but I think these are legitimate questions that should be discussed openly, whatever your opinions might be.

BTW, thanks for commenting. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the case where a potential mother has to decide whether or not she even wants to have a child in the first place, it really becomes impossible to &#8216;ask the child&#8217; what he/she wants.  According to Becky, the mother would have to wait until he/she is at least 3, at which point, under any law, would be considered murder.</p>
<p>Regarding the heartbeat factor of what &#8220;a&#8221; mentioned, I&#8217;d have to question memory.  From my understanding, abortions are legal in the first trimester.  However, similar to the proverbial tree in forest, what&#8217;s wrong with hurting/murdering a living thing, if it has no memory of it?  Does the action itself warrant punishment/disapproval, or does it matter more the pain experienced by the victim?  What if the victim has no memory?  Can we prove fetuses and babies have memories?  I mean beyond Freud&#8217;s theories of childhood scars and latency?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not particularly for abortions, but I think these are legitimate questions that should be discussed openly, whatever your opinions might be.</p>
<p>BTW, thanks for commenting. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: casacaudill</title>
		<link>http://janyxu.com/2008/09/05/abstinence-sex-education-life-choice-sarah/#comment-492</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, I think a child gets a vote (for whatever the case may be) when it displays the cognitive reasoning skills able to actually make a decision.  I also believe that a fetus is not a child until it could survive outside the womb on its own, so I tend to take a more controversial stance on when abortion is murder and when it&#039;s not.  

It&#039;s my personal opinion that all too often the parents of today let their children run the show ... even though a child can&#039;t possibly know what is best for it at say, 3 years old.  They just defer to them because that&#039;s what little Sarah wants.  And that&#039;s not doing the parents - or the child - any services because then you&#039;ve got parents that are run ragged and children with entitlement issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think a child gets a vote (for whatever the case may be) when it displays the cognitive reasoning skills able to actually make a decision.  I also believe that a fetus is not a child until it could survive outside the womb on its own, so I tend to take a more controversial stance on when abortion is murder and when it&#8217;s not.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s my personal opinion that all too often the parents of today let their children run the show &#8230; even though a child can&#8217;t possibly know what is best for it at say, 3 years old.  They just defer to them because that&#8217;s what little Sarah wants.  And that&#8217;s not doing the parents &#8211; or the child &#8211; any services because then you&#8217;ve got parents that are run ragged and children with entitlement issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://janyxu.com/2008/09/05/abstinence-sex-education-life-choice-sarah/#comment-491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A difficult division, for me, is raised here between casacaudill&#039;s and Jany&#039;s comments; 
casacaudill points out that a parents point of view needn&#039;t be forced upon a child. I agree here that religious indoctrination is a terrible thing. That is why I believe all children, people, be educated as best we can manage in all things; life, religion and science; so that they can better make a decision on their own beliefs and views. 

But Jany tells us of her feeling that by choosing abortion a mother is pressing her own own decision indefinitely upon her child. This therefore raises the question; when does a child get to choose? And I literally mean just that; I&#039;d like to hear what everyone thinks should be the age where that child gets to decide.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A difficult division, for me, is raised here between casacaudill&#8217;s and Jany&#8217;s comments;<br />
casacaudill points out that a parents point of view needn&#8217;t be forced upon a child. I agree here that religious indoctrination is a terrible thing. That is why I believe all children, people, be educated as best we can manage in all things; life, religion and science; so that they can better make a decision on their own beliefs and views. </p>
<p>But Jany tells us of her feeling that by choosing abortion a mother is pressing her own own decision indefinitely upon her child. This therefore raises the question; when does a child get to choose? And I literally mean just that; I&#8217;d like to hear what everyone thinks should be the age where that child gets to decide.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
		<link>http://janyxu.com/2008/09/05/abstinence-sex-education-life-choice-sarah/#comment-490</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;She is pro-contraception, has also indicated her preference for abstinence education over explicit sex-ed programs.&quot; (via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2199362/pagenum/2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this article&lt;/a&gt;)

Abortion is such a hard subject. I understand very much why someone might want/have an abortion so it is very difficult to judge another person&#039;s decision. I would never have one because I can&#039;t get over the fact that (to me) it is a growing child, this is especially drilled into my head now that I am a mother and got to see/hear my child&#039;s heartbeat very early in pregnancy - before the time when most women have abortions. I also really don&#039;t understand how someone who kills a pregnant mother can be charged with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.courttv.com/trials/peterson/docs/complaint.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;two counts of murder&lt;/a&gt; but yet abortion is okay? Either a fetus deserves protection or it doesn&#039;t...how you can have it both ways? 

It is such a complicated and very personal issue. :/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She is pro-contraception, has also indicated her preference for abstinence education over explicit sex-ed programs.&#8221; (via <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2199362/pagenum/2" rel="nofollow"> this article</a>)</p>
<p>Abortion is such a hard subject. I understand very much why someone might want/have an abortion so it is very difficult to judge another person&#8217;s decision. I would never have one because I can&#8217;t get over the fact that (to me) it is a growing child, this is especially drilled into my head now that I am a mother and got to see/hear my child&#8217;s heartbeat very early in pregnancy &#8211; before the time when most women have abortions. I also really don&#8217;t understand how someone who kills a pregnant mother can be charged with <a href="http://www.courttv.com/trials/peterson/docs/complaint.html" rel="nofollow">two counts of murder</a> but yet abortion is okay? Either a fetus deserves protection or it doesn&#8217;t&#8230;how you can have it both ways? </p>
<p>It is such a complicated and very personal issue. :/</p>
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		<title>By: Jany</title>
		<link>http://janyxu.com/2008/09/05/abstinence-sex-education-life-choice-sarah/#comment-489</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jany]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL Love the Usain reference.

Well my dilemma with pro-choice is that the decision doesn&#039;t only affect their body and their life.  It affects the body and life of an unborn child... and I just don&#039;t know how I feel about that.  It&#039;s not the parents&#039; decision to make, but you can&#039;t ask the child... I just know I definitely agree the government shouldn&#039;t have a say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Love the Usain reference.</p>
<p>Well my dilemma with pro-choice is that the decision doesn&#8217;t only affect their body and their life.  It affects the body and life of an unborn child&#8230; and I just don&#8217;t know how I feel about that.  It&#8217;s not the parents&#8217; decision to make, but you can&#8217;t ask the child&#8230; I just know I definitely agree the government shouldn&#8217;t have a say.</p>
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		<title>By: casacaudill</title>
		<link>http://janyxu.com/2008/09/05/abstinence-sex-education-life-choice-sarah/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[casacaudill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pro-choice because it&#039;s never my right to tell someone else what to do with their body/life.  

Also, this statement cannot ring more true to me - &quot;On the other hand, teenagers of hyper-religious parents don’t automatically inherit their parents’ devotion.&quot;  Raises hand.  I&#039;d say, in my case, it actually did the opposite.  I saw so much right wing hypocrisy that I ran the other way faster than Usain Bolt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pro-choice because it&#8217;s never my right to tell someone else what to do with their body/life.  </p>
<p>Also, this statement cannot ring more true to me &#8211; &#8220;On the other hand, teenagers of hyper-religious parents don’t automatically inherit their parents’ devotion.&#8221;  Raises hand.  I&#8217;d say, in my case, it actually did the opposite.  I saw so much right wing hypocrisy that I ran the other way faster than Usain Bolt.</p>
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